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Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 101	Posted - 2012.01.18 18:12:00 - [1] - Quote Plutonian wrote: I see we're being trolled by nullsec residents. That's original. You guys must be bored waiting for your next fleet to form up. Just tell that FC that 200 pilots should be enough, let's get going... oops, sorry... Forgot that you do what you're told. You have masters to answer to. But he does have a point. Why even bother with low sec? All I've ever seen there are blobs and gate camps (with the odd carrier thrown in) to make any activity in low sec a total waste of time. Massive risk, very little reward. That's not to mention the sec hit should you actually fire first and kill someone. And he's also right, you did this all yourselves. Sure, be a pirate and kill every carebear you see, just don't expect that pilot to be back anytime soon. Low sec remains a desolate waste land, gratz!
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 103	Posted - 2012.01.19 06:19:00 - [2] - Quote Plutonian wrote: Smiling Menace wrote: But he does have a point. Why even bother with low sec? All I've ever seen there are blobs and gate camps (with the odd carrier thrown in) to make any activity in low sec a total waste of time. Massive risk, very little reward. That's not to mention the sec hit should you actually fire first and kill someone. And he's also right, you did this all yourselves. Sure, be a pirate and kill every carebear you see, just don't expect that pilot to be back anytime soon. Low sec remains a desolate waste land, gratz! All right... I'm a gonna bite. I have, only once, ever attacked a non-combat seeking ship in low-sec. And, in my defense, that pilot was ratting in Amamake 3-1, and I thought he was bait. When it turned out he actually was a new player ratting, I advised him on how to survive, reimbursed his ship, and gave him around 10m isk. Talked him into joining Eve Uni and he was there for about six months. Last I heard he's off in WH space now. If I encounter two frigates dueling at a planet or belt, I remove myself from the field so they won't think I'll rush in to kill the victor before he can get repped up again. The last gate camp I participated in was to secure the gates in Fountain while the Brutally Clever Empire set up shop. Think that was back in 2007. Pluto's current sec status is (IIRC) 4.3. My other character's sec status is 5.0. Why? Because I have no alts, no boosters, no backup, no nothing. Perfect total solo fighter. That means I'm in smaller ships. Want to know who flies the smaller ships these days? Pirates. In two months I've engaged maybe two people who were not flashy... all the rest were pirates. I give back loot to very younger pilots who lose against me. I never ask for any loot back. I'm not anti-pirate. Actually, I love pirates; they are the most laid back people you'll ever find in this game. I've a really nice fit for a Merlin (which I took from Habadasshoodoo or whatever his name is) which is capable of perma-jamming an attacking Rifter. I won't use it, because it seems cheap and a shoddy thing to do to a fellow solo roaming pilot. I have never kited anything in this game. Stop. Read that again: I have never kited anything in this game. By god if I'm going to commit to a fight, I commit. I have participated in duels where I could not break my opponent's tank, but was fast enough to pull away from the battle. However, it seems cheap to have a duel which does not end in someone's wreck, so I plunged back in and lost the ship. I actually don't like duels... they feel artificial to me. That's why I never ask for one. I want to hunt, and I want to be hunted. If I'm facing two or three very young players, I'd rather they gang up on me than for me to engage them one on one. And should you think I'm just the oddball out there, I do run into people just like myself. Not very often anymore, but it happens. The reason I'm telling you this is: Your perceptions of lowsec are wrong. Sorry, not perception...FACT! I have seen the hi sec choke points camped to oblivion...FACT! I have seen -10's blow away very single ship that comes through...FACT! Nearly all were carebears looking to try something new....FACT! None ever came back...FACT! I have seen a small pirate gang get take apart by a small T1 Cruiser roam, then they (the pirates) drop 3 carriers on them...FACT! I could go on all day with everything that's wrong with low sec but why bother? Everyone knows what's wrong. You are very much the exception in low. All I ever see are bait ships, blobs and general asshattery from the resident -10's. @ Lady Spank I see what you are saying and I understand your points but that will still leave low sec a desolate waste land. The only people there will be the ones you currently have. There is still no incentive for anyone in hi sec or null sec to even bother going there. My thought was that low was to be just the same as hi sec with added extras to benefit from the risk but EVE players being EVE players, it's more a perpetual battleground with no real easy way in for the carebears. I actually think the sec hit should be even higher if you engage in low sec. Make the gate/station guns do even more damage so that the asshats that think PvP consisting of ganking noobs and haulers on gates have a very very hard time doing this. There you go, as long as noobs/carebears stick to gates and stations, they will be able to use low sec with a little bit of a security blanket. If they want to then try PvP, they have the rest of the space in low that isn't a gate or a station to play around with. Just my thoughts as a noob once upon a time in low sec.
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 103	Posted - 2012.01.19 06:32:00 - [3] - Quote Plutonian wrote: cljjlc wrote: Lady Spank wrote: I always believed it should be the only area you can use to pull your sec status up from negative status. The logic being Concord don't monitor null sec so shouldn't be paying bounties out there, and criminal acts anywhere in empire should be acquitted by doing ones time fighting (NPC) piracy in low sec empire. Benefits: + It's not counterable with the usual carebear whine "you just want more shinies to shoot", since it only entices criminals. + (very) Moderate nerf to suicide ganking as you have to make up for your crimes with some time spent in low sec, but introduces high sec 'PVP'ers to low sec. + 0.0 residents can't just hide in deep null to get their standings up in complete safety. + General increase of activity in low sec and a reason to go there (for some). + Those visiting to raise sec are obviously PVPers so greater potential for finding small engagements there, and not just 'trying to populate low sec with shiny PVE fit carebears'. ~ repeating myself now so will leave it at that. This is actually one of the best ideas I have heard for helping low sec. I approve this message It's a fantastic idea. But good luck getting null bounties removed. The whinage would be... shall we say, significant? If there was an alternative to ratting for null sec dwellers to make isk directly from the space they hold, then I doubt there would be much resistance to this idea. Holding space actually gains you very little reward but a ton of bills to be paid.
Smiling Menace Star Nebulae Holdings Inc. 103	Posted - 2012.01.19 11:10:00 - [4] - Quote Plutonian wrote: @Smiling Menace: I won't deny that stuff exists, but it can be worked around. Bait can be popped before the trap springs (or simply avoided... they're generally not too subtle). Camps can be seen on the map or run in fast frigs. Smartie-BS can be scanned from gate scanpoints. Blobs can generally be avoided by single pilots (we're far more maneuverable). But I would not remove the camps, bait ships, blobs, pirates, or even those annoying ECM-using f*ks for anything. Because it's the challenge* that makes lowsec fun. When I'm in lowsec I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that everyone wants to kill me. It's actually rather comforting... I don't have to worry about who my enemies are, they're listed right there in local. Tonight I had to move exactly one (1) metric buttload of researched BPO's to an Empire hub. Eight jumps through lowsec. Five jumps through Empire. Guess which part I sweated? The lowsec portion was done in a standard fighting Rifter. The Empire leg done in a tanked battleship with sweaty palms. I was safer in lowsec! I don't expect the true 'carebear' to ever come to lowsec. Like the Joker said, "Decent people shouldn't live here... they'd be happier somewhere else." But for those looking for some excitement, and I feel there are many in Empire who feel this way, lowsec is a great place to find some fun. (Jeeze... I saved the Damsel for three damn years and she keeps going back to that damn brothel!! WTF?!) I believe Eve needs a PvP outlet that doesn't require the responsibilities of nullsec. Currently, unless you're willing to wardec innocent non-PvP'ers in Empire (which I'd never do) or can-flip miners (which I'd also never do) or suffer the artificial-ality of duels (is that even a word?), you go to lowsec for a good fight. That's what CCP needs to focus on when dealing with the area. Again, I agree with you. Low sec can be alot of fun and exciting IF you know what you are doing. That's not really the problem though. The problem is actually getting people to go there. The low sec pocket I used to live in had virtually no-one there from 1 week to the next! I could've sat in a belt with an Orca and mined with drones 23/7 (this is an example, God I hate mining) without loosing it! To me, that's the biggest problem in low sec, it's even less inhabited than null. We should be trying to think of ways to encourage (not bully!) people that do want to try something a little more exciting without pissing them off so much they never come back. Biggest problem I found as a noob was actually getting into low sec in the first place. Gate camping is so lame, if it was made considerably harder to gate camp in low, you would have more people moving through and some might even stay. Lady Spank wrote: I remember when people used to suicide tackle in Rifters. lol when I was a noob, I remember doing this on low sec gates. Not a Rifter though, Incursus of Doom

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